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[lyra_song]

The community will always be tough on Anet because their idea of what Guild Wars should be is different from what the designers' designed it to be.

You get a clash of opinion Community vs Designer.

Fanservice or staying with your own vision?

The fans dont always know best. The designers dont always know best.

But the devs will make the FINAL decision.

The game has already been substantially changed from its original inception to fit the needs of the audience that has embraced it. A lot the changes are direct responses to the community's ideas.

Its unfair to say "It should have had it in the beginning" or "Every other MMO has it" when in fact those ideas may never have fit with the original design.

To think that Anet didn't THINK about such things and disregarded them as one reason or another (wether time constraint, technology, poor design or manpower) is rather propesterous.

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The longevity of Guild Wars is in its PvP, not PvE and frankly we dont have enough people migrating to PvP from PvE. Without new players jumping into PvP, the PvP dies down. Without anything to do, PvE players get bored.

Me? I have lots to do in the game and not enough time to play.

If you get burned out of Guild Wars, its ok. Move on. Just think about how much gameplay you got out of your money. This game wont last forever and neither will you.

*goes back to playing Nintendogs*

Remember, its just a GAME.

[GourangaPizza]

My guess is this; a portion of the Factions team is assigned to updating the current game, while the rest of them join the Nighfall team who are in midst of developing Chapter 4. Therefore, I wouldn't be surprised at all if there is more updates than usual. And every game that requires payment to be made in order to play, constant updates and events are mandatory to renew it's worthiness and value to the players.

[Inde]

Wow, you guys are just wanting flames tonight aren't you? Trolling and all :P All right first off, we have more than 1,000 people daily who post on this site. Can't believe I even had to say that.

Second, a forum is considered a sampling of the community. When you hear of national or international polls in the media do you really think they went out and asked 100 million people or the entire population of that country for their individual opinions? They pick a sample of the population. They are fairly accurate. If the overall posts of a community forum hate a change, it's a sure bet that the majority of GW players in general hate a change. So whether you'd like to believe it or not, forums do hold weight... even a measly 100k of the gw population that registered here.

And yes, I do think the devs are stepping it up with the recent events. It's nice and a great change for when you feel yourself growing bored. Gives you something to look forward to and at the least check out.

[LifeInfusion]

I normally don't focus on another user, but it's pretty absurd. Zinger, quit being so pessimistic. I think WoW is crap, so stop comparing GW to WoW. GW is not a wannabe WoW, hence all the crap that's cut out (5 seconds to open a chest?).
My friend runs a private server, so it is pretty funny when I find out that some players play absurd amounts of time even when it is a private server. Even funnier when he uses the GM commands on people to kick em off. Face it, Guild Wars isn't meant to be an addiction, more like a pasttime.

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Guild Wars is a GAME. People don't devote every waking moment to play or post on the forum. In fact, the core of the design philosophy has been reiterated time and again: "the best games are the ones you can put down and pick up again".

If you look at the statistics, the other sectors of NCsoft are dying (autoassault is an extreme example) and Guild wars is growing. So people, please stop being like chicken little.

[Exoudeous]

not entirely inde, gameing is an entirely diffrent subject then asking people if they approve of the president.

there are hardcore and casual players. casual players dont get their panty's in a twist when a change happens to the game,, half the time they dont even notice till they get told. Many of the people I know dont know about changes unless i tell them about it.

The only reason why the forum community seems like such a loud voice is because they are the only ones that talk to the devs about things.

Even then people like zinger are such a small portion of this community.


And in the end, no matter how good a job a company does, some one bitches. WoW may be very popular, but it is far from a perfect game, just as many of the people who play will say.

[Zinger314]

Originally Posted by Inde

Wow, you guys are just wanting flames tonight aren't you? Trolling and all :P All right first off, we have more than 1,000 people daily who post on this site. Can't believe I even had to say that.

Second, a forum is considered a sampling of the community. When you hear of national or international polls in the media do you really think they went out and asked 100 million people or the entire population of that country for their individual opinions? They pick a sample of the population. They are fairly accurate. If the overall posts of a community forum hate a change, it's a sure bet that the majority of GW players in general hate a change. So whether you'd like to believe it or not, forums do hold weight... even a measly 100k of the gw population that registered here.

And yes, I do think the devs are stepping it up with the recent events. It's nice and a great change for when you feel yourself growing bored. Gives you something to look forward to and at the least check out.

Not trying to troll. If people disagree, so be it. It's a forum, I have the right to have an opinion.

And yes, Inde, I may be wrong about the 1k statistic, since I presume you have access to more accurate figures. But the point remains; not all 110k of the registered users post on these forums.

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

I normally don't focus on another user, but it's pretty absurd. Zinger, quit being so pessimistic. I think WoW is crap, so stop comparing GW to WoW. GW is not a wannabe WoW, hence all the crap that's cut out (5 seconds to open a chest?).
My friend runs a private server, so it is pretty funny when I find out that some players play absurd amounts of time even when it is a private server. Even funnier when he uses the GM commands on people to kick em off. Face it, Guild Wars isn't meant to be an addiction, more like a pasttime.

I wasn't even making a WoW rant in this topic (was comparing MMOs in general, which are GW's competition), and yet you bring it up! Yeesh. (And the 5 second time on Chests is so that players can't loot chests while in combat. Makes more physicological sense than Guild Wars's chest runs...)

Originally Posted by LifeInfusion

Guild Wars is a GAME. People don't devote every waking moment to play or post on the forum. In fact, the core of the design philosophy has been reiterated time and again: "the best games are the ones you can put down and pick up again".

Quite ironic, considering this thread on the first page.

[«Ripskin]

I don't think guildwars will end for a long time. I have already tried to stop playing, and tried out WoW. It was retarded, pointless quests and mindless level peddling. That's why Gw stands out from the mob of mmorpgs, strategy, no monthlys, unbeatable pvp, and it makes you think instead of having your mind numb down on you.

And btw, I believe some kids might stop, but I assure you I don't care. I'd like it if more adults played. And this is probably one of the favorites on adult mmorpgs for the reasons stated before.

[sindex]

You could look at this way a community, is an option in which ways in on the decisions get carried out. However certain developers do not have to listen to their community. A-net does which takes it’s time, money, and other resources to invest into the community. If they wanted to get rid of people who oppose their views it would be a smaller community, but it’s not.

What we need is critical thinkers, people who are willing to give creative criticism back to make the game better; beyond that, no bashing please. “Man sometimes I need to listen to my own advice.”

[Zinger314]

Originally Posted by sindex

You could look at this way a community, is an option in which ways in on the decisions get carried out. However certain developers do not have to listen to their community. A-net does which takes it’s time, money, and other resources to invest into the community. If they wanted to get rid of people who oppose their views it would be a smaller community, but it’s not.

ArenaNet owns GuildWarsGuru? And GWOnline? And every other fan-made Guild Wars Website?

Hmm. Inde must be a spy.

[sindex]

Originally Posted by Zinger314

ArenaNet owns GuildWarsGuru? And GWOnline? And every other fan-made Guild Wars Website?

Hmm. Inde must be a spy.

Why must you do that? I was just saying they could permanent ban, us for being a bit offensive to GW and their communities, but have they? Not that A-net owns any of the community like a puppet with strings.

[Omega X]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

not entirely inde, gameing is an entirely diffrent subject then asking people if they approve of the president.

there are hardcore and casual players. casual players dont get their panty's in a twist when a change happens to the game,, half the time they dont even notice till they get told. Many of the people I know dont know about changes unless i tell them about it.

The only reason why the forum community seems like such a loud voice is because they are the only ones that talk to the devs about things.

Even then people like zinger are such a small portion of this community.


And in the end, no matter how good a job a company does, some one bitches. WoW may be very popular, but it is far from a perfect game, just as many of the people who play will say.

With all things considering, you don't listen to people who just bitch and bawl. You listen to those with coherent thinking patterns. I think that ANET knows the difference between clueless whining and constructive criticism.

Also, Guru is only one sample of the GW community. There are A LOT more forums and communities to sample from. With that many samples, you can gather up a lot of info on what the GW community likes. Though GWG is one of the more vocal. In political view, Guru can be considered something like Ohio.

Not to mention that the Casual players that I know actually realizes when things they like about the game gets changed. They aren't all mindless drones you know.

[manitoba1073]

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Originally Posted by lyra_song
The longevity of Guild Wars is in its PvP, not PvE and frankly we dont have enough people migrating to PvP from PvE. Without new players jumping into PvP, the PvP dies down. Without anything to do, PvE players get bored.

Sorry Lyra i have to dissagree with you on that. GW longevity is based on its PvE. However with there band aid patches and skill balances even that is becoming a shallow part of the game.


Oh Zinger you maybe on to something there with under table payoffs to some here on guru. Seems like some people just wont get off there knees unless anet says they can. Though i have my doubts on a few of the mods but we just dont know. Though we can pretty sure say JR isnt.

[Makkert]

If your rationale is 'whine more, get more', then I'm afraid you're mistaking...

[Pwny Ride]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

oh ya it will be a sad day when zinger stops playing :P

isnt this like the 4th time you said people would stop playing?

[insert happy music] I can see it now, dance parties in the Monastery, with a giant rainbow banner and streamers all around a-nets office *glittery eyes*

*record screeching sound* but serously her posts put me off forums...

[Navaros]

Originally Posted by Inde

Second, a forum is considered a sampling of the community. When you hear of national or international polls in the media do you really think they went out and asked 100 million people or the entire population of that country for their individual opinions? They pick a sample of the population. They are fairly accurate. If the overall posts of a community forum hate a change, it's a sure bet that the majority of GW players in general hate a change. So whether you'd like to believe it or not, forums do hold weight... even a measly 100k of the gw population that registered here.

Not sure if I agree with this, as the in-game evidence seems to be that the vast majority of players love all the things that Anet nerfs to smithereens after they are complained about incessantly en masse on forums by a minority of players. Ie: On the forums most of the posters would always complain about IWAY, yet the reason they complained was precisely because IWAY was so vastly popular with the majority of players who were actually in the game playing as IWAY.

[Pwny Ride]

Originally Posted by Navaros

Not sure if I agree with this, as the in-game evidence seems to be that the vast majority of players love all the things that Anet nerfs to smithereens after they are complained about incessantly en masse on forums by a minority of players. Ie: On the forums most of the posters would always complain about IWAY, yet the reason they complained was precisely because IWAY was so vastly popular with the majority of players who were actually in the game playing as IWAY.

Since they got rid of IWAY i havent seen anyone complain that it's gone. Imo it was a smart move for a-net to nerf such key skills, with no more HoH Monopoly, it's been better than it was.

[Rodhin Kinning]

.....wow. Could some of you be anymore negative in your comments? Many of you must like to ride the line to see how close you can get to the ban stick. *sighs* Its one thing to have a right to your opions but you dont always have to voice them.

And back on topic, I would like to say that even if I dont join in all the events that I do think its good of Anet to do these things for us. Its one of the few things that keep me playing this game daily.

[Navaros]

Originally Posted by Pwny Ride

Since they got rid of IWAY i havent seen anyone complain that it's gone. Imo it was a smart move for a-net to nerf such key skills, with no more HoH Monopoly, it's been better than it was.

Because many of the players who played it were too busy enjoying the game as IWAY to bother posting on forums. But in any case, despite multiple unfair nerfings IWAY still always found ways to adapt and remain effective up until the 6vs6 nerf, which is universally hated. The point being that complaints of many of the IWAY players who no longer have a viable build that can work with a PUG, and work without third party voicechat software, are reflected along with all the other reasons in the mass calls to bring back 8vs8. Plus any who express support of IWAY on a fansite are destined to be flamed to a crisp by the vocal minority of players who hate it, which is another reason seeing complaints on a fansite about it's nerfings would be rare.


As for HoH being better than it was, maybe to the miniority of fansite posters it is. But I suspect the mass exodus of IWAY players who outnumbered them and no longer play in Tombs would disagree.

[Cebe]

Originally Posted by Exoudeous

funny how the haters always have the worst thought process. All the people that have a brain and dont like the game stop playing and don't hang around forums saying how badly they think a game is doing. You guys just dont have anything better to do with your time, so you play this game you hate so much. IRONY!

w00t - someone's finally put into words what I haven't been able to find a way to for ages! Good job!

[KESKI]

I dont say it here much, I rather write to them and say it over e-mail...which I did on new year already=P, but yes, A-Net is doing an over all good job in suporting in improving game system...well better then eq1&2>.> and I didnt play WOW long enough to ask for any support.
of course, they are far from my "picture perfect" support team...but why would they be?? or why would they need to be??
I dont even ask that from a friend...why would I ask a team that I dont even know. So as far as I see, A-Net did enough job to earn my thanks
So to A-Net
The update, event, and changes you guys had done had suprice me, made my day, dispoint me, and even made me wrote those long and serious complain e-mail to you over the years.
However the fact is, I had fun seeing the story you written, enjoy the world you had create, thrill on fighting other players, making builds and tactic for myself and friends(good end game in my account, and I dont even need to play a lot to enjoy this), made a few friends over the year(and said good-bye to few), get some good laugh during events, and for all these, I thank you for your work.
(And I believe its a given that I "DO" and always will looking forward if you guys can do more )
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off topic:
Game Company update, event, or whatever to please some group of people....is this news?? Or is this wrong?? Cause some people just said it like its a sin if company do this to for their pocket...

I understand that "do everything, because deep in your heart you want to be nice" thing is cool and....seriously I would love to meet someone like that. However this is not happening to human, and we should know that, if it happen that often, it wont be "deep in your heart".